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Jeff Cairns Professional Member
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Posted: 2011-07-28, 13:25 Post subject: What is "depth" in shakuhachi tone? |
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I'm so pleased to hear that you found that depth Dean and equally pleased to have been able to send that to such appreciative hands. |
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Brian Tairaku Ritchie Moderator
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Posted: 2011-08-04, 23:33 Post subject: What is "depth" in shakuhachi tone? |
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Toby wrote: |
We are, of course, talking a form of nonsense here. A tone cannot have depth anymore than a hole in the ground can be sharp or flat. |
Do you think a kazoo has a deeper tone than a tuba? Do you think a banjo has a deeper tone than a pipe organ?
I don't.
Musicians use these kinds of terms all the time.
Chefs use words to describe food as well. They don't refer to it by its chemical composition.
What's your problem? |
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x moran Member
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Posted: 2011-08-04, 23:57 Post subject: What is "depth" in shakuhachi tone? |
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Brian Tairaku Ritchie wrote: |
What's your problem? |
Because Karl Popper didn't say it. _________________
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Jeff Cairns Professional Member
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Posted: 2011-08-05, 02:57 Post subject: What is "depth" in shakuhachi tone? |
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And here we find ourselves in this fine cup of tea.
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Jim Thompson Professional Member
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Posted: 2011-08-05, 03:06 Post subject: What is "depth" in shakuhachi tone? |
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I think to actually get to the bottom of this we must combine it with a discussion of the role that material plays in all of this. |
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Posted: 2011-08-05, 03:06 Post subject: Publicité |
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De Fouw Member
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Posted: 2011-08-05, 10:45 Post subject: What is "depth" in shakuhachi tone? |
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Jim Thompson Professional Member
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Posted: 2011-08-05, 16:32 Post subject: What is "depth" in shakuhachi tone? |
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Sorry. Didn't mean to stir up any negativity. I was, indeed yanking Toby's (as well as my own ) chain in reference to a previous circular discussion on materials. To be more precise, my sarcastically veiled point was that due to the inadequacy of words on this subject, a discussion of tone depth will probably wind up the same as the referred to materials thread on the old forum. Not that that was a bad thing. I learned a lot in that discussion that got a little tedious for most. Anyway, I didn't mean to be a troll. I can't speak for Xris. ). On another subject,Toby, I would love to hear about your experiences and conclusions (if any) from your Rajneesh experiences. I realize I'm probably asking you to write a book. I totally understand if it just too much. My e-mail if you prefer: jbtmusic@earthlink.net . |
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Toby Member
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Posted: 2011-08-06, 00:58 Post subject: What is "depth" in shakuhachi tone? |
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I think it better to take the Rajneesh discussion offline. I am off to Fukushima filming this weekend, but will write to you privately later. |
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Jim Thompson Professional Member
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Posted: 2011-08-06, 02:59 Post subject: What is "depth" in shakuhachi tone? |
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Thanks Toby. I look forward to hearing from you at your leisure. |
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x moran Member
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Posted: 2011-08-06, 10:25 Post subject: What is "depth" in shakuhachi tone? |
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Toby wrote: | Hmmm...I guess I had better hope that the admin here aren't members of the Chinese Communist Party, who feel it their task to "harmonize" this forum
Actually I think X's question is totally legitimate; we only need to agree on terms... |
If I wanted your approval on the quality of my question, Toby, I would have emailed you and asked you for it.
As to whether we can agree on terms, I really don't think we have to.
Have a nice trip. Tell us more about it when you get back.
(Nice job on irritating the admins, old bean.) _________________
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Posted: 2011-08-06, 10:25 Post subject: Publicité |
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Posted: 2011-08-06, 13:05 Post subject: An dipshit |
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Toby wrote: | . I wonder if we could even all agree on what "depth" of tone feels or sounds like |
"Depth" is "deep" in Eglish. "Deep" is "dip" in Italienische. Beatnick talk gut musik is "deep shit". Thus "deep shit" is "dipshit".
End of history. _________________ I am Horst. I am Zen Master. Thus Horst Xenmeister. |
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Jim Thompson Professional Member
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Posted: 2011-08-09, 12:20 Post subject: What is "depth" in shakuhachi tone? |
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HORST XENMEISTER wrote: | "Depth" is "deep" in Eglish. "Deep" is "dip" in Italienische. Beatnick talk gut musik is "deep shit". Thus "deep shit" is "dipshit".
End of history. |
That explains why I can't tell the difference. |
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Posted: 2011-08-09, 13:02 Post subject: What is "depth" in shakuhachi tone? |
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Dean Del Béne Member
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Posted: 2011-08-09, 16:32 Post subject: What is "depth" in shakuhachi tone? |
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Some terms used to describe tonal and other qualities by which shakuhachi are judged, from the zenflute.com website:
1. Utsukushisa = overall beauty of tone
2. Miyabi = elegance/richness of tone
3. Shimari = tonal closure
4. Fukami = tonal depth
5. Asami = tonal shallowness
6. Akarusa = brightness of tone
7. Kurasa = darkness of tone
8. Amasa/amami = sweetness of tone
9. Marumi = roundness of tone
10. Shibumi = severity of tone
11. Yawarakasa = softness of tone
12. Katasa = hardness/harshness of tone
13. Zarazara = Dryenss/roughness (a type of harshness) of tone
14. tsumeasa = coldness of tone
15. Atatakasa = warmth of tone
16. Wabi/sabi = qualities of loneliness in the overall sound
17. Haba = sound width/bigness/reach/volume
18. Karumi = lightness of flute and tone
19. Omomi = heaviness of flute and tone
20. Yasashisa = kindness of tone
21. Joseiteki/Danseiteki = femininity & masculinity of tone
Some profundo fish there :-) aber kein verbilligte Marken |
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JF Lagrost Administrator
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Posted: 2011-08-09, 21:08 Post subject: What is "depth" in shakuhachi tone? |
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Dean Del Béne wrote: | Some terms used to describe tonal and other qualities by which shakuhachi are judged, from the zenflute.com website:
1. Utsukushisa = overall beauty of tone
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Thank you Dean for sharing that. I think these terms are important to know, not only to judge the quality of an instrument, but also for the aesthetic of sound as a performer. I'm going to post a translation into French in the "Library". |
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