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PostPosted: 2013-11-24, 13:21    Post subject: Why not to share what you make? Reply with quote

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Hello to all,

I am amazed that there are not more participants in this forum who post the pieces which they play with Shakuhachi.

I like to listen to the pieces of others Very Happy

Out of curiosity I would like to know the reasons.

It is due to the lack of equipment to record.

It is because you judge that what you make will not interest the others.

It is because the idea that you have about this instrument is not compatible with a public demonstration.

It is by fear of unpleasant criticisms.

It is because you do not simply want to make listen to what you make.

Thank you for your answers. Wink
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PostPosted: 2013-11-24, 15:04    Post subject: Why not to share what you make? Reply with quote

Bonjour,

Peut-être n'y a-t-il pas d'endroits où les poster sur le forum? Mort de Rire

Un topic pourrait peut-être être créé à cette intention dans le Media Center. Ce qu'il faudrait voir c'est : avec quelle intention chacun y posterait i.e. le morceau en cours d'étude, celui que l'on joue bien, que l'on aime. Intention qui pourrait être indiqué afin de ne pas se voir couvrir de remarques techniques alors que le but était simplement de partager.

Pour répondre à ta question, je ne poste ni ici ni sur Youtube (ou ailleurs) rien de ce sur quoi je travaille et/ou créé pour plusieurs raisons:

- cela requiert une forme de courage dont je ne dispose pas,
- j'envisage la pratique du shakuhachi comme un chemin personnel et ne voit aucun intérêt à inonder le web de mes productions
- qui cela intéresserait-il?

Ce n'est que mon point de vue et je comprend tout à fait les personnes qui aiment partager et s'enrichir du commentaire d'autrui. Je le respecte mais ce n'est pas moi. Je pourrais le faire à condition d'illustrer un problème technique et y trouver une solution avec cette limite technique que le web ne permet que d'appréhender une partie du jeu, le joueur reste invisible.

Dans la vie je n'aime pas parler pour parler, sur le web je n'aime pas poster pour poster.

J'espère avoir répondu de manière franche et respectueuse de l'individualité de chacun.

Une flûte, des milliards de souffles.

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Hi,

Maybe there's no such places where to post it on the forum? Mort de Rire

A topic could be created for this purpose in the Media Center. What should be considered is : for what purpose everyone would post i.e. the piece being studied, the one one's play well or like. Purpose which could be written in order to avoid technical remarks where the goal was only to share.

To answer your question, I do not post here nor on Youtube (or elsewhere) nothing I'm working on for some reasons:

- it requires a sort of courage I don't have,
- I see shakuhachi practice as a personnal journey and see no interest in flooding the web with my productions,
- who would be interested?,

It's only my point of view and truly understand people who like to share and get strongly influenced by other's commentaries. I respect that but that's not me. I could do it as long as it is to demonstrate a technical issue and have it solved by the community with this technical limit that the web only allows us to apprehend a part of the playing, the rest remaining invisible.

In life I do not like talking to talk, on the web I do not like posting to post. [I'm really not sure about my translation here so I beg anyone having a better translation to propose to do so Embarassed ]

I hope I've answered you honestly and respectfully in regards of everyone's individuality.

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PostPosted: 2013-11-24, 15:08    Post subject: Why not to share what you make? Reply with quote

Interesting question.

Personally, I don't like to post recordings of myself publicly as I still don't consider myself a player that people would want to listen to! The subtle nuances of the Kinko (chikumeisha) pieces I'm learning are (for me at least) still difficult to replicate perfectly.

I often record myself for practice purposes but I don't feel I'm at a level yet to share with others!
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PostPosted: 2013-11-24, 15:39    Post subject: Why not to share what you make? Reply with quote

Jam wrote:


I often record myself for practice purposes but I don't feel I'm at a level yet to share with others!


+1 Okay
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PostPosted: 2013-11-24, 17:02    Post subject: Why not to share what you make? Reply with quote

I am 100% with Jam, see above.
And recording properly is too much trouble Wink
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PostPosted: 2013-11-24, 17:24    Post subject: Why not to share what you make? Reply with quote

I understand your reasons.

I think that the important is to find a way which develops us on our personal path. And each has the reasons to make listen to what he makes, or not.

For me it is important to make listen to what I make because I want to share the solo learning which I make of Shakuhachi, and for me internet is a good way to do it.

The pleasant criticisms tempts me to continue and to progress.
The unpleasant critics are not a problem, if they are constructive obviously, if it is the wickedness, that hurts, but that is a part of the game.
It is as the life, we never emerge unscathed from it! Wink Especially as if we like not, it is enough not to put a comment. Nobody is obliged to listen to and to appreciate what we make.

I made this topic because report me that I post from time to time my pieces in (the playpen) while I play Shakuhachi for 2 and a half years, and that the majority of people registered on this forum have to play better than me.
And what I find it's a pity not to listen to that make the others, the way they play, the pieces which they like, etc.... That would bring a little more life to the forum, it is my opinion.

When I listen to on YouTube a traditional piece, nobody plays it in the same way, and I find that very interesting.

But maybe it is easier for me because I begin and thus nothing to be afraid of (to part that to I am told that I make some shit, what is not to be exclude Mr. Green !).

It is true as well as I am not still capable of confronting with the traditional pieces of Shakuhachi. My opinion would be maybe different in this case.

I realize by writing that in the view of my lack of experience with this instrument, it doesn't matter if people do not appreciate what I make, because I know that I am at the beginning of the journey with Shakuhachi.
Maybe later I would have another opinion.

Although it is your notices are interesting because the different points of view grow on second thought.


I hope that the translator did not play on me too many tricks and that you understand the text!

Thank you.
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PostPosted: 2013-11-24, 19:07    Post subject: Why not to share what you make? Reply with quote

Plume Blanche wrote:
I hope that the translator did not play on me too many tricks and that you understand the text!

Thank you.


Mort de Rire

We never know the myriads of way how what we're writing can be understood. I often think in french and then [try to] translate in english but doing so involves so many vagueness. Same thing mostly happen when I'm reading an english => french text.
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PostPosted: 2013-11-24, 19:56    Post subject: Why not to share what you make? Reply with quote

Okay Nicolas.
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PostPosted: 2013-11-28, 12:14    Post subject: Why not to share what you make? Reply with quote

Perhaps a section for people to share their work in a way that does not make people feel they have to live up to a certain standard could be good....
Let me have a round of discussion with forum and ESS website people. Because it could also be on the ESS members' area... and then it will be a less public domaine.... Let's have a think.
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PostPosted: 2013-11-28, 13:32    Post subject: Why not to share what you make? Reply with quote

In fact Kiku, I was astonished that the good players who are member of the forum do not want to post their pieces.

For the beginners, we have the playpen, if we want to do it.

But for the experienced players, I account for myself that my question was incongruous.
If they wanted to do it they would have already done it! Wink

But your proposition is interesting. Thanks for your interest. Okay
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PostPosted: 2013-11-28, 13:55    Post subject: Why not to share what you make? Reply with quote

In addition, Kiku, personally, I do not wish any more to post what I play here.

I account for myself, a little late perhaps, but better late than never, that what I play is completely uninteresting for the members of the forum.

But I will continue to read the posts of the others with pleasure, and to put comments from time to time. Wink
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PostPosted: 2013-11-28, 18:08    Post subject: Why not to share what you make? Reply with quote

Hi,

I would just like to point out that maybe it is the positive comments, one should be afraid of. It is a trap. Shakuhachi universe is also populated by people, who mistake themselves for masters. This can happen after they take positive comments on their playing too seriously.

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PostPosted: 2013-11-28, 18:09    Post subject: Why not to share what you make? Reply with quote

Plume Blanche, how did you get to the conclusion that what you post is completely uninteresting for the members here?
I think you have pretty good response - also good critique you can learn from.
The reason for I thought it might be a good idea to have such a dedicated space is to get more people who are not in the pro class yet to post their work in progress. As you can see in the replies you got, many do not feel good enough.... but I think it would be lovely to have such a space where people can perhaps feel more secure to post their work. We have had a situation here on the forum where someone sent a pm to a person who posted beginner shakuhachi videos up telling him not to.... and I found that most unfortunate. Sharing and learning from each other is some of the main points of the forum.

Plume Blanche wrote:
In addition, Kiku, personally, I do not wish any more to post what I play here.

I account for myself, a little late perhaps, but better late than never, that what I play is completely uninteresting for the members of the forum.

But I will continue to read the posts of the others with pleasure, and to put comments from time to time. Wink


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PostPosted: 2013-11-28, 18:12    Post subject: Why not to share what you make? Reply with quote

Marek wrote:
Hi,

I would just like to point out that maybe it is the positive comments, one should be afraid of. It is a trap. Shakuhachi universe is also populated by people, who mistake themselves for masters. This can happen after they take positive comments on their playing too seriously.

Regards,

Marek


True, but that goes for everything. I think positive comments in regard to where you are on your learning curve is very useful. Masters do not have monopoly on praise Smile
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PostPosted: 2013-11-28, 19:05    Post subject: Why not to share what you make? Reply with quote

Marek thanks for your comment.

Kiku thanks for yours. The idea of this new space made for beginners, and those who do not dare to post what they do, is very interesting.
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Thanks for us! Okay
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