ESS Shakuhachi Forum Forum Index ESS Shakuhachi Forum
Practice, Culture and History of Japanese Bamboo Flute 尺八. A Project of the European Shakuhachi Society (ESS)
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

Is the shakuhachi an instrument of two halves?

 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    ESS Shakuhachi Forum Forum Index -> ESS Forums -> The Playpen
Previous topic :: Next topic  
Author Message
felix martens
Member

Offline

Joined: 23 Jun 2013
Posts: 126

PostPosted: 2014-01-06, 21:23    Post subject: Is the shakuhachi an instrument of two halves? Reply with quote

PublicitéSupprimer les publicités ?
When the joint of my shakuhachi became loose, I took button thread and wound it sparingly, like a corkscrew, around the joint and pushed it gently but firmly together again. The shakuhachi now feels "well connected". Once you have your shakuhachi in one piece, can I suppose that there is no good reason to separate the halves, if I don't need to? All cleaning can take place with it as one piece. I always transport it as one piece. Is the two piece shakuhachi an unnecessary state? Why were they made in two pieces? I could understand it if the bigger ones were so designed but it seems they never are.
Back to top
Brian Tairaku Ritchie
Moderator

Offline

Joined: 18 Mar 2011
Posts: 635
Localisation: Hobart, Tasmania, Australia

PostPosted: 2014-01-07, 05:39    Post subject: Is the shakuhachi an instrument of two halves? Reply with quote

Good questions.

Shakuhachi traditionally has a certain node configuration. Sometimes makers create two piece flutes, omitting some of the bamboo, to artificially create the ideal node configuration. The other reason is to be able to break them apart for ease of carrying.

Yes can can keep it together and never separate it, as long as you don't mind carrying it around like that. Just because it comes apart doesn't mean it must be taken apart.

The reason most of the long ones you see are one piece is because they are being made that way by people who are into jinashi (no putty in the bore) and nobe (one piece) construction as part of their making philosophy. One practical reason to prefer jinashi is that putty (ji) weighs more than bamboo and when you fill a 3.0 for example with ji it's quite heavy. Some people also prefer the sound. Others are just purists or think unadulterated bamboo is closer to a natural ideal.

However I have a few jinashi long flutes which are 2 or 3 pieces and that's nice when you travel.
Back to top
Kiku Day
Moderator

Offline

Joined: 20 Mar 2011
Posts: 866
Localisation: Nr Snede, DK/London UK

PostPosted: 2014-01-07, 10:20    Post subject: Is the shakuhachi an instrument of two halves? Reply with quote

Hi Felix,

I will add a little to Tairaku's answer.
Historically, the beginning of making shakuhachi in two happened at the same time as when shakuhachi began to be made with ji (which is a paste or putty). The reason was for the maker, it was much easier to do this work adding ji in the bore when the shakuhachi was cut in two halves. Also that gave the makers the freedom to adjust the length of the flute.
The cutting of the shakuhachi into two and the adding of ji happened during the latter half of the 19th century and beginning of the 20th century. Before then the shakuhachi was made in one piece. Of course there may be exceptions even among the old jinashi.
If you read old documents from the turn of the century or just in the magazine sankyoku which was published around the 1920-30s, you can still read discussion about this method.
Back to top
Visit poster’s website Skype
felix martens
Member

Offline

Joined: 23 Jun 2013
Posts: 126

PostPosted: 2014-01-07, 18:37    Post subject: Is the shakuhachi an instrument of two halves? Reply with quote

Thanks for the answers! So the first maker to think of cutting them in two for ease of bore lining must have been some kind of ji-nius! Sorry!!!!!
Back to top
Plume Blanche
Member

Offline

Joined: 12 Sep 2012
Posts: 251
Localisation: France

PostPosted: 2014-01-07, 19:50    Post subject: Is the shakuhachi an instrument of two halves? Reply with quote

Interesting post. Thanks Very Happy
_________________
Don't give up. Nomally it is the last key on the ring which opens the door. (Paulo Coelho).
Back to top
Perry Yung
Professional Member

Offline

Joined: 22 Mar 2011
Posts: 346
Localisation: New York City, UWS

PostPosted: 2014-01-08, 19:05    Post subject: Is the shakuhachi an instrument of two halves? Reply with quote

felix martens wrote:
Thanks for the answers! So the first maker to think of cutting them in two for ease of bore lining must have been some kind of ji-nius! Sorry!!!!!


Laughing

No worries, some shakuhachi players, due to the isolation from a mediative priactice and solo playing, can be a little bore - ing. Shocked

Party like it's 2014!
- Perry
_________________
"A hot Dog is not an animal" - Jet Yung
Blog on shakuhachi, art and parenting - www.yungflutes.com
Back to top
Visit poster’s website
felix martens
Member

Offline

Joined: 23 Jun 2013
Posts: 126

PostPosted: 2014-01-08, 20:20    Post subject: Is the shakuhachi an instrument of two halves? Reply with quote

Excellent ji-oke! But let's stop now!!!
Back to top
felix martens
Member

Offline

Joined: 23 Jun 2013
Posts: 126

PostPosted: 2014-01-11, 12:06    Post subject: Yamaguchi Shiro 1.8. Reply with quote

I notice that this shakuhachi for sale on Trading Post is one piece, and it's tone is described as "sublime", and its price suggests something very special. Is there a link to the fact that it is one piece, and do such shakuhachi realise a prime position/price in the minds of master players?
Are there too many variables to ask such a question as "What makes for a "sublime" shakuhachi?" Is it a question that I may know the answer to 20 years down the line, or can someone offer any answers. Maker? Bamboo? Serendipity?
Back to top
Contenu Sponsorisé






PostPosted: Today at 11:54    Post subject: Is the shakuhachi an instrument of two halves?

Back to top
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    ESS Shakuhachi Forum Forum Index -> ESS Forums -> The Playpen All times are GMT + 2 Hours
Page 1 of 1

 
Jump to:  

Index | Create a free forum | Free support forum | Free forums directory | Report a violation | Conditions générales d'utilisation
Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2017 phpBB Group