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PostPosted: 2014-01-27, 17:04    Post subject: Third octave. Reply with quote

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Does entry into the third octave mean that a person's embouchure is heading in the right direction?
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PostPosted: 2014-01-27, 21:56    Post subject: Third octave. Reply with quote

If your intention was hitting 3rd octave.... perhaps it could indicate that. But that is not the only indication of a good embouchure.
Can you get tsu-no-meri down so it sounds the pitch of ro even though you finger tsu-no-meri?
Can you get chi-no-meri and u clear like crystal with no noise..... all these together are indications on your embouchure heading in the right direction. If it is only the 3rd octave, it could just show you that you are good at blowing hard..... depending on which 3rd octave notes you hit.
So both yes and no! Smile
Hope it did help even though I am sure it also confused you.
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PostPosted: 2014-01-28, 08:02    Post subject: Third octave. Reply with quote

Blow up to da kan hi or ha just for fun every time. Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 2014-01-28, 10:06    Post subject: Third octave. Reply with quote

Third octave is nothing to be proud of. You can be proud when you play in the third octave and dogs run away or whine miserably. Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: 2014-01-28, 10:34    Post subject: Third octave. Reply with quote

I wasn't feeling proud. I just never played a steady third octave note before. I take your point Kiku. My purpose in posting this topic was to ask a simple question. Thank you for your answer. While pride didn't come into it I think the question is one a lot of beginners might ask, and while a person might admire Brian's ability to scare dogs I think For a professional member to come onto the Playpen and say that's nothing to be proud of is either an obscure joke or at best not very helpful.
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PostPosted: 2014-01-28, 10:43    Post subject: Third octave. Reply with quote

Brian Tairaku Ritchie wrote:
Third octave is nothing to be proud of. You can be proud when you play in the third octave and dogs run away or whine miserably. Evil or Very Mad


Easier done with 1.2 then 3.2
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PostPosted: 2014-01-28, 10:47    Post subject: Third octave. Reply with quote

Brian Tairaku Ritchie wrote:
Third octave is nothing to be proud of.
Evil or Very Mad


A wise advice from a master. Very Zen like. Like Horst.
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PostPosted: 2014-01-28, 10:57    Post subject: Third octave. Reply with quote

I'll become quiet in order that I might hear more.
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PostPosted: 2014-01-28, 11:31    Post subject: Third octave. Reply with quote

Kiku Day wrote:
If your intention was hitting 3rd octave.... perhaps it could indicate that. But that is not the only indication of a good embouchure.
Can you get tsu-no-meri down so it sounds the pitch of ro even though you finger tsu-no-meri?
Can you get chi-no-meri and u clear like crystal with no noise..... all these together are indications on your embouchure heading in the right direction. If it is only the 3rd octave, it could just show you that you are good at blowing hard..... depending on which 3rd octave notes you hit.
So both yes and no! Smile
Hope it did help even though I am sure it also confused you.


I am confused because my fingering charts don't appear to list the notes you mention. Are they written another way?
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PostPosted: 2014-01-28, 11:37    Post subject: Third octave. Reply with quote

felix martens wrote:
I wasn't feeling proud.


I was just kidding, but you still have to try to hurt dogs if you want to get really good at the third octave.
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PostPosted: 2014-01-28, 11:46    Post subject: Third octave. Reply with quote

High notes also scare the shit out of my birds(feathered).
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PostPosted: 2014-01-28, 13:47    Post subject: Third octave. Reply with quote

In the 3rd octave the fingerings may vary considerably from flute to flute. You'll have to find out what works for you on your specific flute.
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PostPosted: 2014-01-28, 14:49    Post subject: Third octave. Reply with quote

Blast it! I knew things were going to get more complicated!
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PostPosted: 2014-02-02, 19:21    Post subject: Third octave. Reply with quote

I remember what a great feeling it was to just begin to sound the notes in the second octave! Smile
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PostPosted: 2014-02-02, 20:06    Post subject: Third octave. Reply with quote

felix martens wrote:


I am confused because my fingering charts don't appear to list the notes you mention. Are they written another way?


The third octave notes are usually not called ro tsu re chi ha/ri but something totally different. But often shakuhachi players outside a school say for example "re no daikan" which means it is the pitch 2 octave above the re in otsu and 1 octave above the re in kan. That was yiou can talk about the same thing. Smile You have to look at the Western pitch in your fingering chart to see what the notes are called in the school you follow.

Have fun with your daikan and bravo for getting daikan! It IS a great feeling and it is also right that there is a long way still.
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