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PostPosted: 2011-04-14, 17:57    Post subject: Hanko Identification Help - New photographs Added Reply with quote

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This is the Hanko on my Edo period shakuhachi, Perry identified the first symbol as being "moon" but was unable to identify the second; can anyone help.

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Paul






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PostPosted: 2011-04-15, 00:12    Post subject: Hanko Identification Help - New photographs Added Reply with quote

THe second character looks like "wind". It's a bit hard to tell with the glare going across the characters. The first one doesn't look like "moon" to me, but again the details are hard to see.
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PostPosted: 2011-04-15, 01:10    Post subject: Hanko Identification Help - New photographs Added Reply with quote

I'll try to take a clearer photograph tommorrow, thank you for your input.

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PostPosted: 2011-04-15, 04:56    Post subject: hanko Reply with quote

Paul, the second kanji appears to be kaze (wind) and would probably be pronounced 'fu' depending on what the first kanji is. Unfortunately, the first kanji is unreadable in this photo. A better shot might clear things up.
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PostPosted: 2011-04-16, 14:00    Post subject: Hanko Identification Help - New photographs Added Reply with quote

I've managed to upload a couple of new photographs, hope these are clearer.





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PostPosted: 2011-04-16, 14:06    Post subject: Hanko Identification Help - New photographs Added Reply with quote

That looks like "4 winds" to me. Could be pronounced "Shifu".
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PostPosted: 2011-04-17, 06:13    Post subject: Hanko Identification Help - New photographs Added Reply with quote

The top kanji is still not so identifiable and it could be the kanji for four, however it could also be a sideways 'getsu' (moon).
Though this is quite uncommon with hankos, it does happen as in this example of a hanko by a maker named Shuugetsu.
Notice that the second kanji for 'getsu' (moon) is sideways.

As such, your hanko could read 'tsukifu', 'getsufu' or 'getsukaze', all meaning 'moon, wind'.
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PostPosted: 2011-04-17, 11:36    Post subject: Hanko Identification Help - New photographs Added Reply with quote

Thank you both for your help, I've always wanted to know what the hanko meant so it's great to be given some ideas.

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PostPosted: 2011-05-23, 14:44    Post subject: Hanko Identification Help - New photographs Added Reply with quote

I think the first character is "jo" or "nyo" (如). It probably goes "jofu."

I wonder if the maker was related to Sato Jofu, a student of Tanikita Muchiku. Perhaps, Sato Jofu didn't make shakuhachi.
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PostPosted: 2011-05-24, 08:23    Post subject: Hanko Identification Help - New photographs Added Reply with quote

Thank you.

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PostPosted: 2011-05-25, 01:42    Post subject: Hanko Identification Help - New photographs Added Reply with quote

GoStrangely wrote:
Thank you.

Paul


Jo (nyo, or "gotoku" in kunyomi) means "as is." Jofu literally means "like wind." For the Japanese, this almost suggests a way of being: Being as natural as wind, envisioning freely just as wind, surrendering oneself to nature, etc. The same goes for josui (如水, sui means water). This is a literal interpretation. It could be that the person inherited one character (jo or fu) from the teacher and added another character to it.
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PostPosted: 2011-05-25, 19:22    Post subject: Hanko Identification Help - New photographs Added Reply with quote

Thank you again, that's very interesting, I'll have to decide which interpretation to use.

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PostPosted: 2011-11-06, 17:28    Post subject: Hanko Identification Help - New photographs Added Reply with quote

Hi
i Have a good ji nashi 2.7 with this henko: the seller tell me it was Shugetsu...i don't now if it is exact. So anybody could identify this?
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PostPosted: 2011-11-07, 14:09    Post subject: Hanko Identification Help - New photographs Added Reply with quote

It's "shingetsu," not "shugetsu."
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PostPosted: 2011-11-07, 14:26    Post subject: Hanko Identification Help - New photographs Added Reply with quote

thanks a lot Koji!

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