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Jarle Jivanmukta
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PostPosted: 2011-04-27, 12:25    Post subject: Correct pitch, using tuner Reply with quote

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Dear friends, in my practice I am now focusing more on correct pitch than I did before.
I use a tuner, and can choose temperament. What is the advised temperament to use? Is Equal temperament OK? Or is "just intonation" more adisable?


On my PC I use the syaku8 software, which gives even the notation for shaku.
I have not found any app for iphone that gives the shaku notation, does anyone know if it exists?

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PostPosted: 2011-04-27, 14:22    Post subject: Correct pitch, using tuner Reply with quote

Hi, I am trying to find a source for the sayku 8 download, can you help me? thanks,
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PostPosted: 2011-04-27, 14:42    Post subject: Correct pitch, using tuner Reply with quote

Some of the notes in the equal temperament scale are way off, especially the 7th: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_temperament (you have to scroll down to see the chart in that page).

Despite that, the tuner I have, and most musicians have, is equal temperament.

I've been advised in the past by two different teachers, one a shakuhachi teacher and the other a ney teacher to play with a drone note in the background to help learn pitch differences. I've avoided doing that because the single note drone gets annoying fast, but recently started again when I realized that using the tuner was helping me be able to adjust pitch to where I could be in tune but without a reference pitch to compare it to wasn't helping me learn to match pitches or hear pitch relations, something that is essential for playing in tune. So, my current opinion is that tuners are a great sanity check, but really don't help you hear what being in tune sounds like, and because of this the temperament you chose for one doesn't make all that much difference.
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PostPosted: 2011-04-27, 16:05    Post subject: Correct pitch, using tuner Reply with quote

Michael stJohn Hartley wrote:
Hi, I am trying to find a source for the sayku 8 download, can you help me? thanks,
Michael, reiki-mandala@t-online.de



http://www1.ocn.ne.jp/~tuner/tuner_e.html
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PostPosted: 2011-04-27, 16:14    Post subject: Correct pitch, using tuner Reply with quote

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Some of the notes in the equal temperament scale are way off, especially the 7th: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_temperament (you have to scroll down to see the chart in that page).

Despite that, the tuner I have, and most musicians have, is equal temperament.

I've been advised in the past by two different teachers, one a shakuhachi teacher and the other a ney teacher to play with a drone note in the background to help learn pitch differences. I've avoided doing that because the single note drone gets annoying fast, but recently started again when I realized that using the tuner was helping me be able to adjust pitch to where I could be in tune but without a reference pitch to compare it to wasn't helping me learn to match pitches or hear pitch relations, something that is essential for playing in tune. So, my current opinion is that tuners are a great sanity check, but really don't help you hear what being in tune sounds like, and because of this the temperament you chose for one doesn't make all that much difference.


Thanks for that advice, I usually use the tuner maybe 5 minutes in a one hr practice, playing mostly RO but also other tones, just to check. I am more on pitch now than I was in december :-)

I will try with drone as well, do you have any advice on funny software for pc or iphone? Or do you just use a simple digital tuner that plays desired tone?
I have a Boss TU-80 tuner and metronome.
So far I mainly use the tuner to check my RO, as that is my flattest tone, I hope when my RO is better on pitch, the rest will be lifted as well.
At present I think my main focus is to lift every note I am playing :-)

I have some songs that I will play with shamisen or koto later in my studies, where I will play karaoke. I have the complete example of the song with flute and accompanying instrument, but also a soundtrack with only the accompanying instrument playing. Guess that will help as well.
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PostPosted: 2011-04-27, 19:25    Post subject: Correct pitch, using tuner Reply with quote

I've been using this virtual keyboard: http://www.yellow-gold-soft.com/virtual_piano.php I eventually bought it but the trial version can get you a drone for a few minutes each time you start it.
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PostPosted: 2011-04-28, 04:39    Post subject: Correct pitch, using tuner Reply with quote

Due to curiosity of ear, I have analized the pieces played by players I like, separating phrase by phrase and analizing note by note with tuner... interesting to see the results... it changed a bit my way to play and see the use of a tuner...

Tuner is nice to study because you will sound nice with fixed pitch instruments (piano, guitar...), and will develop your control to get a specific pitch when you want (and achieve this means you have a good overall control on instrument) but when playing with non-temperated instruments you may follow the best intonation for the piece or phrase key... anyway, develop the ear and be aware of what to do to play with a good sound or even with a convenient pitch to a particular moment is a good thing!

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PostPosted: 2011-04-28, 22:22    Post subject: Correct pitch, using tuner Reply with quote

I thinks Brian link to free online tanpura can be useful:
http://www.anubodh.com/tanpura_for_bansuri.htm

I actually brought a shruti box home from India once, but I was not clever enough to keep it...

http://www.mastermusiconline.com/musical-instruments/swarsudha-shrutibox.shtml
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PostPosted: 2011-04-29, 20:16    Post subject: Correct pitch, using tuner Reply with quote

@Jarle,
Hi, when i go to the link, the first one , s8 tunes, a music manager, downloads, unzips and works,; when i click on the tuner, I land at a japanese site,
'OCN|Page ON (not found)' The tuner seems like a really great thing, so i am hanging in there with my search. If you have any other ideas, or could see what is wrong with my process, I would appreciate it!
Maybe I need to type something into the Ocn page, but I have clicked artound quite a bit, -all is japanese...
thanks Jarle,
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http://www1.ocn.ne.jp/~tuner/soft/TUNER_E306.zip
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PostPosted: 2011-05-15, 17:26    Post subject: Correct pitch, using tuner Reply with quote

I can recommend iPhone tuning software, particularly 'Tiara Tuner' http://itunes.apple.com/de/app/tiara-chromatic-tuner/id356086446?mt=8. I obtained the code from the maker of Sayku 8 in the hopes of being able to port it to Macintosh (I develop software for a living) but the code was not really portable. It's a shame, because this would also make neat iPhone app.
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PostPosted: 2011-05-25, 13:37    Post subject: Correct pitch, using tuner Reply with quote

iontichy wrote:
I obtained the code from the maker of Sayku 8 in the hopes of being able to port it to Macintosh (I develop software for a living) but the code was not really portable. It's a shame, because this would also make neat iPhone app.


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PostPosted: 2011-07-09, 09:15    Post subject: Tuner download,unfortunately not for Mac. Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 2013-08-19, 16:13    Post subject: Correct pitch, using tuner Reply with quote

Chris Northover wrote:
http://www1.ocn.ne.jp/~tuner/tuner_e.html


That is a useful link. I've downloaded the "Sound color analyzer and Tuner for shakuhachi"



I'm totally new to playing music and the frequency and note display really helps me to understand what is happening. With all holes closed (Ro), I've found I can play a note from D4 to D5 to D6 with respective frequencies somewhere around 280, 590 and 1100 Hz, so these must be the three octaves (I assume) i.e. Otsu, Kan, Daikan? This is useful because I am learning what to do with my mouth and lips to get each octave.

The display also shows which holes are open for my shakuhachi, though this isn't perfect and sometimes shows a hole partially open which is closed, but I guess that is down to the differences between shakuhachis and my (awful Laughing ) beginners playing technique.

The thing I'm having huge difficulty with now is understanding and hearing the difference between meri and kari. I'm struggling to get and maintain the correct octave let alone do the (more delicate?) meri / kari. As I can't afford a teacher at the moment I'll just try to blunder onwards. Any suggestions would be very welcome (please).
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PostPosted: 2013-08-19, 16:59    Post subject: Correct pitch, using tuner Reply with quote

After a bit more practice using the tuner I can maintain the first octave much better now. The second octave will need more work and the sound of the third octave would wake the dead and make them put their hands over their ears in pain.
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PostPosted: 2013-08-19, 17:34    Post subject: Correct pitch, using tuner Reply with quote

Hi Shakhi. As one beginner to another don't come to depend on the tuner.....that is to say your ears are the most important judge. Also, patience, patience and more patience is the key. Meri will come.
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