ESS Shakuhachi Forum Forum Index ESS Shakuhachi Forum
Practice, Culture and History of Japanese Bamboo Flute 尺八. A Project of the European Shakuhachi Society (ESS)
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

How to pick up a Shakuhachi (acoustically)

 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    ESS Shakuhachi Forum Forum Index -> ESS Forums -> The Dōjō
Previous topic :: Next topic  
Author Message
iontichy
Member

Offline

Joined: 15 May 2011
Posts: 14
Localisation: Germany

PostPosted: 2011-06-08, 21:29    Post subject: How to pick up a Shakuhachi (acoustically) Reply with quote

PublicitéSupprimer les publicités ?
Hi,

though I'm not anywhere near proficient enough, I have the opportunity to play with other musicians from various Genres. I tried a few sessions, but we never found a good way of picking the shakuhachi sound up with the microphones we used. I had vocalist mics placed in front of me, towards the bottom end of the flute, but in order to amplify it this way so it could compete with a drumset or rock guitars required so much gain, that feedback occurred. At lower levels the Shakuhachi just went under.

I went to one of the biggest music stores in Europe (four story building, like IKEA for music instruments), where I was shuffled from one department to the next for hours but no one really could help me. In the end I landed in the PA department where I was presented with the option of using a special microphone pre-amp with a certain headset:

http://www.thomann.de/gb/akg_b29l.htm and http://www.thomann.de/gb/akg_c_555_l.htm

They didn't have the ability to have me try things out (such a big shop ...), so I politely declined. Does anyone have a tested option for this problem? I'd like to be able to plug the Shakuhachi into a standard PA somehow.

Thanks!
Back to top
Skype
LowBlow
Member

Offline

Joined: 23 Mar 2011
Posts: 224
Localisation: Germany

PostPosted: 2011-06-09, 09:30    Post subject: How to pick up a Shakuhachi (acoustically) Reply with quote

I used a similar headset for my skype lessons. I am located in Germany as well. If you are near you can try it at my home with a (home) PA.

I have seen some bag pipe players on stage with hard rock drummer. They used to bind the headsets to their forearms pointing to the flutepipe. Worked very well and they where loud!

look here "vermaledeyt" playing "Karascha" arround 30sec you can clearly see the mike and micamp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0jcDGT1c-I&feature=related


BTW Can anybody identify the flute played at 30sec. The angle is like playing a ney but its seems not to be a ney
Back to top
Visit poster’s website
Jeff Cairns
Professional Member

Offline

Joined: 23 Mar 2011
Posts: 191
Localisation: Kumamoto-shi, Japan

PostPosted: 2011-06-09, 13:26    Post subject: How to pick up a Shakuhachi (acoustically) Reply with quote

In a live setting you need isolation to mic a shakuhachi with a band. Many people use the Countryman E6 with great satisfaction. Though it's a little more expensive than the AKG unit, it's much more elegant. Here's a link http://countryman.com/store/product.asp?id=92&catid=2
Back to top
Visit poster’s website Skype
CharlesKoeppen
Member

Offline

Joined: 22 Mar 2011
Posts: 103
Localisation: ny usa

PostPosted: 2011-06-09, 15:51    Post subject: How to pick up a Shakuhachi (acoustically) Reply with quote

iontichy wrote:
I had vocalist mics placed in front of me, towards the bottom end of the flute, but in order to amplify it this way so it could compete with a drumset or rock guitars required so much gain, that feedback occurred. At lower levels the Shakuhachi just went under.



If you use a vocal mic it should be near the mouthpiece end. For the sound check, you play up close to the mic in the lower register and have the sound man adjust the gain. Then back away from the mic play stuff in the higher register and ask how it sounds, if it's too loud back away more, if it's too weak don't back away so much. Remember how far away you need to be for upper register stuff, if you are standing you can mark the floor with masking tape. After the sound check is over you play the upper register stuff where you made the mark away from the mic, and move up closer to play in the lower register.

I like to use the headset mics for home recordings, then you can adjust for the differences as you do the mix.

I see a lot of pro's using the headset mics for live performances though, I don't know how they manage the volume differences in different registers.
_________________
Charles Koeppen
Kingston NY USA
Visit my shakuhachi website http://shakuhachi.atspace.cc
Back to top
Visit poster’s website
iontichy
Member

Offline

Joined: 15 May 2011
Posts: 14
Localisation: Germany

PostPosted: 2011-06-10, 18:07    Post subject: How to pick up a Shakuhachi (acoustically) Reply with quote

Thanks for all the suggestions and hints. I think I got a much better idea now!
Back to top
Skype
Jim Thompson
Professional Member

Offline

Joined: 22 Mar 2011
Posts: 32
Localisation: Los Angeles, Ca.

PostPosted: 2011-06-10, 19:06    Post subject: How to pick up a Shakuhachi (acoustically) Reply with quote

Jeff Cairns wrote:
In a live setting you need isolation to mic a shakuhachi with a band. Many people use the Countryman E6 with great satisfaction.

Jeff,
Is that the E-6 omni or the E-6i? Also, it looks likes I buy 2 basic components (wireless) running about $1000.00. Do I have that right?
Back to top
Contenu Sponsorisé






PostPosted: Today at 20:45    Post subject: How to pick up a Shakuhachi (acoustically)

Back to top
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    ESS Shakuhachi Forum Forum Index -> ESS Forums -> The Dōjō All times are GMT + 2 Hours
Page 1 of 1

 
Jump to:  

Index | Create a free forum | Free support forum | Free forums directory | Report a violation | Conditions générales d'utilisation
Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2017 phpBB Group