ESS Shakuhachi Forum Forum Index ESS Shakuhachi Forum
Practice, Culture and History of Japanese Bamboo Flute 尺八. A Project of the European Shakuhachi Society (ESS)
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

What is "depth" in shakuhachi tone?
Goto page: <  1, 2, 3, 4  >
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    ESS Shakuhachi Forum Forum Index -> ESS Forums -> The Workshop
Previous topic :: Next topic  
Author Message
Jeff Cairns
Professional Member

Offline

Joined: 23 Mar 2011
Posts: 191
Localisation: Kumamoto-shi, Japan

PostPosted: 2011-07-28, 13:25    Post subject: What is "depth" in shakuhachi tone? Reply with quote

PublicitéSupprimer les publicités ?
I'm so pleased to hear that you found that depth Dean and equally pleased to have been able to send that to such appreciative hands.
Back to top
Visit poster’s website Skype
Brian Tairaku Ritchie
Moderator

Offline

Joined: 18 Mar 2011
Posts: 635
Localisation: Hobart, Tasmania, Australia

PostPosted: 2011-08-04, 23:33    Post subject: What is "depth" in shakuhachi tone? Reply with quote

Toby wrote:


We are, of course, talking a form of nonsense here. A tone cannot have depth anymore than a hole in the ground can be sharp or flat.

Rolling Eyes

Do you think a kazoo has a deeper tone than a tuba? Do you think a banjo has a deeper tone than a pipe organ?

I don't.

Musicians use these kinds of terms all the time.

Chefs use words to describe food as well. They don't refer to it by its chemical composition.

What's your problem?
Bannir
Back to top
x moran
Member

Offline

Joined: 22 Mar 2011
Posts: 172
Localisation: claremont california

PostPosted: 2011-08-04, 23:57    Post subject: What is "depth" in shakuhachi tone? Reply with quote

Brian Tairaku Ritchie wrote:



What's your problem?
Bannir




Because Karl Popper didn't say it.
_________________
Read, comment, upload: Shakuhachi Beat
Back to top
Visit poster’s website
Jeff Cairns
Professional Member

Offline

Joined: 23 Mar 2011
Posts: 191
Localisation: Kumamoto-shi, Japan

PostPosted: 2011-08-05, 02:57    Post subject: What is "depth" in shakuhachi tone? Reply with quote

And here we find ourselves in this fine cup of tea.
Back to top
Visit poster’s website Skype
Jim Thompson
Professional Member

Offline

Joined: 22 Mar 2011
Posts: 32
Localisation: Los Angeles, Ca.

PostPosted: 2011-08-05, 03:06    Post subject: What is "depth" in shakuhachi tone? Reply with quote

I think to actually get to the bottom of this we must combine it with a discussion of the role that material plays in all of this.
Back to top
De Fouw
Member

Offline

Joined: 22 Mar 2011
Posts: 52
Localisation: Netherlands / Pays-Bas

PostPosted: 2011-08-05, 10:45    Post subject: What is "depth" in shakuhachi tone? Reply with quote

deleted

Last edited by De Fouw on 2011-10-11, 10:25; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
Jim Thompson
Professional Member

Offline

Joined: 22 Mar 2011
Posts: 32
Localisation: Los Angeles, Ca.

PostPosted: 2011-08-05, 16:32    Post subject: What is "depth" in shakuhachi tone? Reply with quote

Sorry. Didn't mean to stir up any negativity. I was, indeed yanking Toby's (as well as my own ) chain in reference to a previous circular discussion on materials. To be more precise, my sarcastically veiled point was that due to the inadequacy of words on this subject, a discussion of tone depth will probably wind up the same as the referred to materials thread on the old forum. Not that that was a bad thing. I learned a lot in that discussion that got a little tedious for most. Anyway, I didn't mean to be a troll. I can't speak for Xris. Very Happy ). On another subject,Toby, I would love to hear about your experiences and conclusions (if any) from your Rajneesh experiences. I realize I'm probably asking you to write a book. I totally understand if it just too much. My e-mail if you prefer: jbtmusic@earthlink.net
.
Back to top
Toby
Member

Offline

Joined: 29 Apr 2011
Posts: 39
Localisation: Tokyo

PostPosted: 2011-08-06, 00:58    Post subject: What is "depth" in shakuhachi tone? Reply with quote

I think it better to take the Rajneesh discussion offline. I am off to Fukushima filming this weekend, but will write to you privately later.
Back to top
Jim Thompson
Professional Member

Offline

Joined: 22 Mar 2011
Posts: 32
Localisation: Los Angeles, Ca.

PostPosted: 2011-08-06, 02:59    Post subject: What is "depth" in shakuhachi tone? Reply with quote

Thanks Toby. I look forward to hearing from you at your leisure.
Back to top
x moran
Member

Offline

Joined: 22 Mar 2011
Posts: 172
Localisation: claremont california

PostPosted: 2011-08-06, 10:25    Post subject: What is "depth" in shakuhachi tone? Reply with quote

Toby wrote:
Hmmm...I guess I had better hope that the admin here aren't members of the Chinese Communist Party, who feel it their task to "harmonize" this forum Shocked

Actually I think X's question is totally legitimate; we only need to agree on terms...


If I wanted your approval on the quality of my question, Toby, I would have emailed you and asked you for it. Very Happy

As to whether we can agree on terms, I really don't think we have to.

Have a nice trip. Tell us more about it when you get back.

(Nice job on irritating the admins, old bean.)
_________________
Read, comment, upload: Shakuhachi Beat
Back to top
Visit poster’s website
HORST XENMEISTER
Member

Offline

Joined: 17 May 2011
Posts: 10
Localisation: Südtirol

PostPosted: 2011-08-06, 13:05    Post subject: An dipshit Reply with quote

Toby wrote:
. I wonder if we could even all agree on what "depth" of tone feels or sounds like


"Depth" is "deep" in Eglish. "Deep" is "dip" in Italienische. Beatnick talk gut musik is "deep shit". Thus "deep shit" is "dipshit".

End of history.
_________________
I am Horst. I am Zen Master. Thus Horst Xenmeister.
Back to top
Jim Thompson
Professional Member

Offline

Joined: 22 Mar 2011
Posts: 32
Localisation: Los Angeles, Ca.

PostPosted: 2011-08-09, 12:20    Post subject: What is "depth" in shakuhachi tone? Reply with quote

HORST XENMEISTER wrote:

"Depth" is "deep" in Eglish. "Deep" is "dip" in Italienische. Beatnick talk gut musik is "deep shit". Thus "deep shit" is "dipshit".

End of history.


That explains why I can't tell the difference.
Back to top
De Fouw
Member

Offline

Joined: 22 Mar 2011
Posts: 52
Localisation: Netherlands / Pays-Bas

PostPosted: 2011-08-09, 13:02    Post subject: What is "depth" in shakuhachi tone? Reply with quote

Back to top
Dean Del Béne
Member

Offline

Joined: 22 Mar 2011
Posts: 25
Localisation: Chicago

PostPosted: 2011-08-09, 16:32    Post subject: What is "depth" in shakuhachi tone? Reply with quote

Some terms used to describe tonal and other qualities by which shakuhachi are judged, from the zenflute.com website:

1. Utsukushisa = overall beauty of tone

2. Miyabi = elegance/richness of tone

3. Shimari = tonal closure

4. Fukami = tonal depth

5. Asami = tonal shallowness

6. Akarusa = brightness of tone

7. Kurasa = darkness of tone

8. Amasa/amami = sweetness of tone

9. Marumi = roundness of tone

10. Shibumi = severity of tone

11. Yawarakasa = softness of tone

12. Katasa = hardness/harshness of tone

13. Zarazara = Dryenss/roughness (a type of harshness) of tone

14. tsumeasa = coldness of tone

15. Atatakasa = warmth of tone

16. Wabi/sabi = qualities of loneliness in the overall sound

17. Haba = sound width/bigness/reach/volume

18. Karumi = lightness of flute and tone

19. Omomi = heaviness of flute and tone

20. Yasashisa = kindness of tone

21. Joseiteki/Danseiteki = femininity & masculinity of tone

Some profundo fish there :-) aber kein verbilligte Marken
Back to top
Visit poster’s website
JF Lagrost
Administrator

Offline

Joined: 14 Mar 2011
Posts: 382
Localisation: Paris, France

PostPosted: 2011-08-09, 21:08    Post subject: What is "depth" in shakuhachi tone? Reply with quote

Dean Del Béne wrote:
Some terms used to describe tonal and other qualities by which shakuhachi are judged, from the zenflute.com website:

1. Utsukushisa = overall beauty of tone

(...)


Thank you Dean for sharing that. I think these terms are important to know, not only to judge the quality of an instrument, but also for the aesthetic of sound as a performer. I'm going to post a translation into French in the "Library".
Back to top
Visit poster’s website
Contenu Sponsorisé






PostPosted: Today at 12:13    Post subject: What is "depth" in shakuhachi tone?

Back to top
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    ESS Shakuhachi Forum Forum Index -> ESS Forums -> The Workshop All times are GMT + 2 Hours
Goto page: <  1, 2, 3, 4  >
Page 2 of 4

 
Jump to:  

Index | Create a free forum | Free support forum | Free forums directory | Report a violation | Conditions générales d'utilisation
Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2017 phpBB Group