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PostPosted: 2011-11-30, 23:53    Post subject: Very interesting new release Reply with quote

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Oooh... wow.... ..... Now this is a suitable article for our family and/or loved one(s) to give (some) of us for Christmas!

63 Shinpo Ryu pieces with individual scores in Chikuho notation, played by Sakai Shodo, 11 CDs; booklet containing information summary in English.
Published by Japan Traditional Cultures Foundation: http://search.japo-net.or.jp/item.php?id=VZCG-8489

Brief samples of all pieces can be heard here:
http://www.hmv.co.jp/en/product/detail/4212469/track/1
But please your relatives/partners/yourselves don't have to order there from HMV: the set can be purchased from the artist himself at Chikuho (or from Mejiro) and from Chikuho Ryu you will receive a gift of either a recital DVD or an autographed score, your choice:
http://www.chikuhoryu.jp/newpage3-3.html#cdeigo




Ciao,
Kees


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PostPosted: 2011-12-01, 09:08    Post subject: Very interesting new release Reply with quote

WooooooHhooooooo..........!
It has been on its way for a while... and here it is! cool! Thanks for letting us know, Kees!
And a beautiful set - I must say.

As usual pricy:
¥126,000 =
£1,033.75
€1,206.11
$1,621.99
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PostPosted: 2011-12-01, 13:43    Post subject: Very interesting new release Reply with quote

...and it's everything everybody ever said about it, and more. Neutral
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PostPosted: 2011-12-02, 00:46    Post subject: Very interesting new release Reply with quote

Kiku Day wrote:
WooooooHhooooooo..........!
It has been on its way for a while... and here it is! cool! Thanks for letting us know, Kees!
And a beautiful set - I must say.

As usual pricy:
¥126,000 =
£1,033.75
€1,206.11
$1,621.99


Now if we can get Riley Lee to record all the Chikuho Ryu repertoire on his 1.8 — hopefully a little less fancily dressed and a whole lot less fancily priced!

(This is a project he talked about a couple of years before he threw himself in front of that car in Australia.)
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PostPosted: 2011-12-03, 13:58    Post subject: Very interesting new release Reply with quote

Yes that's a good idea, X!
No harm in having two versions of these pieces to practice with. Kinda like Taizan Ha recordings of both Yoshimura Soshin Fuan and Tanikita Muchiku......
Laughing
cheers,
kees
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PostPosted: 2011-12-03, 16:08    Post subject: Very interesting new release Reply with quote

Actually X's idea does not represent that. The Chikuho repertoire is different than the Shimpo Ryu repertoire. There's a bit of crossover but as far as I know this is the first recording of the Shimpo stuff in toto.
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PostPosted: 2011-12-03, 17:48    Post subject: Very interesting new release Reply with quote

OK, I see. I'm aware of that but misunderstood X's meaning. A little numb/dumb today. Yes that would be a much better idea. Love the Chikuho pieces I've heard..............
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PostPosted: 2011-12-04, 09:51    Post subject: Very interesting new release Reply with quote

De Fouw wrote:
OK, I see. I'm aware of that but misunderstood X's meaning. A little numb/dumb today. Yes that would be a much better idea. Love the Chikuho pieces I've heard..............


Not dumb, nor numb, Kees.

Brian is right (of course): the two repertoire overlap. From the samples I've heard from this new set, the phrasing, tempo and approach sound different from the Chikuho versions of the same piece. For example Tehodoki Reiho sounds very different in this form than Riley's. Others sound that way too, but I am not really experienced enough to get into detail (listen to the samples of familiar pieces on http://www.hmv.co.jp/en/product/detail/4212469/track/1 that overlap from other repertoire like Murasaki Reiho or Hachigaeshi).

I can't see any details of the notation, but might they be in Myoan (Taizan Ha), Kinko or Tozan? Or ??????? ... anything but Chikuho! (Sorry Riley!)

With collections like this and the Jin Nyodo set it sure makes you want to learn Japanese.

Btw, the Yoshimura and Tanikita Taizan ha sets would only set you back about $150 each (scores not included).
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PostPosted: 2011-12-04, 12:26    Post subject: Very interesting new release Reply with quote

Hi X!

Well the scores are Chikuho notation, but not the style with the Tozan-like boxes, but similar to Nyodo scores with the vertical lines but with Chikuho characters.
That is actually quite easy to get used to and read. Even I managed to memorise a dozen symbols of common notes and now am working on memorising another dozen special notes. Smile
(or you can look them up when they appear)

I was told Fu-Ho-U-E-Ya notation is the original way of Shinpo Ryu, it is not that Chikuho Ryu transcribed the pieces to their own system.

Yes knowledge of Japanese would be very handy... the book that comes with the set has only a summary in English.
(A few bits of information can be distilled from the insane English resulting from pasting the entire websites into Google translator)

Ciao,
Kees
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PostPosted: 2011-12-05, 03:59    Post subject: Very interesting new release Reply with quote

Justin and Riley have been having a bit of a discussion on the Australian Shakuhachi Society newsletter talking about, among other things, that there are discrepancies between Shinpo and Chikuho notation regardless of the Fu-Ho-U commonality. Watazumi's notation was a very stripped down Fu-Ho-U. I will probably get this set eventually but I'm not too thrilled to have to learn another notation. Although being in Australia which is the only place that uses it maybe it would be something that would come in handy once in a while.
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