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PostPosted: 2011-03-29, 23:55    Post subject: The Lighter Side of Shakuhachi Reply with quote

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Question I'm curious Kiku, why you think tozan notation more compatible with western as kinko is?
I play regularly with a violinplayer. We made the appoinment to listen carefully, think in phrases instead of beats and choose the most convinient shak fitting the given western key or the most convenient western key to a given shak. That normally solves the problem neatly, no matter if I play tozan or kinko.
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PostPosted: 2011-03-30, 01:32    Post subject: The Lighter Side of Shakuhachi Reply with quote

The violinist is looking to the right, as if he was more interested in hear the shaku than in read something... maybe some improvisation?
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PostPosted: 2011-03-30, 02:58    Post subject: The Lighter Side of Shakuhachi Reply with quote

Dun Romin wrote:
Question I'm curious Kiku, why you think tozan notation more compatible with western as kinko is?
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Bar lines. Meter.
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PostPosted: 2011-03-30, 05:56    Post subject: The Lighter Side of Shakuhachi Reply with quote

Dun Romin wrote:
Question I'm curious Kiku, why you think tozan notation more compatible with western as kinko is?


I didn't say Tozan was more compatible with Western music or notation than kinko notation. I guessed Tozan because they were on the forefront when it came to experiments with Western musical styles and instruments - especially early on.
Also Tozan became quickly the biggest school of shakuhachi in Japan.
And then, as Tairaku has already answered - the barlines and meter in Tozan notation does give these two notation systems something in common. Smile
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PostPosted: 2011-03-30, 11:17    Post subject: The Lighter Side of Shakuhachi Reply with quote

Ah, historically more open for new developments..., that would make sence, yes.
Concerning notation stating that barlines and meter are closer together is also undenieble, but please notice too that scripture is not the essence of music, just support. You can pass it by rather easy if you listen well to each other and think in sentences. For me one of the nicest assets of Japanese music is it's open structure in sentences, more than ritmically based. A way of thinking also suiting the Western Impressionistic musicstiles. Smile So for me it always has felt a kind of logic, that after the opening of Japan the Japanese musicians were so easy to adap these musicstiles in that time.
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